What are we like at all?
Every year, it seems, supporters – and I’d be the first to include myself in this grouping – are wont to proclaim loudly at the start of each League campaign that top tier status doesn’t matter in the slightest, as long as we use the spring competition to blood players and get us set for the summer.
Without fail, however, as the League nears its conclusion, the discussion inevitably turns towards where we stand in the table and what we need to do to avoid relegation or to make (or avoiding making) the final. Here we are again in 2025.
It’s as well to start with the Division One table, courtesy of GAA League Tables, which also handily lists the Round 6 fixtures that are set to be played the weekend after next:
The first rather obvious observation to make is that we’re still not guaranteed Division One survival this year. We could also, although it’s an extremely unlikely scenario, make the Division One final but I think that’s sufficiently remote to rule it out as a possibility.
The second point is that the battle for survival still encompasses five of the eight teams in the Division. Galway, Donegal and Dublin have all done enough (and more in the case of the top two) to stay up but Armagh, who sit alongside us on five points but enjoy a better scoring difference than us, as well as the three counties who lie below us in the table, are all in peril with two rounds left to play.
The third thing to note is that we could quite conceivably survive on the five points we’ve already racked up. If Tyrone lose to Donegal as well as Dublin and Derry then fail to beat Armagh in Round 7, we’d be guaranteed to finish above both Tyrone and Derry. Likewise, if Kerry fail to pick up any further points, it would make it extremely unlikely for us to get relegated, even if we lose our remaining two matches.
To be absolutely sure of safety, however, a win over either Derry or Donegal would obviously do us. Indeed, a draw for us in one of those two games would more than likely be enough.
Looking to how the final two rounds will play out, the following, slightly uneasy, Round 6 scenario looks credible enough. This would see us losing to Derry – which is likely enough as, despite their position in the table, the Oak Leaf County are a bloody good side and will be tough for us to beat up there – while Tyrone account for what’s likely to be a weakened Donegal and Kerry finally come good on home turf to beat Armagh.
Were those results to materialise, Derry would still be in eighth place, on three points, going into the final round. Ourselves, Tyrone and Armagh would all be on five points but we’d then drop to the second relegation spot, in seventh place, thanks to a poorer points difference compared to the other two.
In that scenario, we’d definitely need to beat Donegal in the final round to stay up. The results from the other three Round 7 games would then decide which of Tyrone, Armagh or Kerry would be joining Derry in Division Two next year.
What’s clear from the above is that margins are incredibly tight this year in what’s the most competitive Division One in living memory. Everyone has the capacity to beat anyone else on a given day and positions in the table at this stage mean far less than they would have done in other years.
It really is all to play for at this stage … even, of course, we still want to continue blooding players and getting ourselves in the right frame of mind for the Championship campaign that, for us, begins in exactly a month’s time.



TsuDhoNim says:
March 5, 2025 at 7:10 pm
A couple of small tweaks...
Dublin not mathematically safe quite yet. Still the possibility of a team to going down on 7 points, so Dublin's 6 not enough if multiple games all manage to go against them in both the final rounds (works out at ~1% probability in modelling, though no hand-breaks being pulled there so a higher chance in reality - https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1896293997884432405)
A victory over Derry & 7 points wouldn't assure us of safety on its own. We'd need that result together with any of a Kerry loss, a Dublin loss or a Tyrone draw or loss in R6 to be sure of safety ahead of R7. Again, relatively unlikely scenario for all those results to go the 'wrong' way... but the league is nothing if not consistent for throwing out various unlikely scenarios.
Each of ourselves, Armagh & Kerry with that possibility of still finishing 1st or 8th. Hard not to love the league.
Ever the optimist says:
March 5, 2025 at 7:54 pm
Ah, the cut and thrust of the league. It reads exactly as it should..let loose the hounds of hell now!
No doubt says:
March 5, 2025 at 9:13 pm
A kerry, galway, mayo and Tyrone would bring Dublin into squeaky bum time so alot to play for yet. I really think Donegal don't want any more points so I'd expect Tyrone and mayo will benefit from that. Galway will go all out to beat the dubs. Looking at the picture at the top it looks like o!Hora left his top in the dressing room..
No doubt says:
March 5, 2025 at 9:14 pm
That was meant to read kerry,galway, mayo and Tyrone win.
Sam og says:
March 5, 2025 at 9:18 pm
Westport, Balla and Mayo Gaels in the same group for the last 3 years.Something very wrong with that, Could they not have been kept apart
Sean Burke says:
March 5, 2025 at 9:30 pm
Kerry v Armagh : Armagh win
Dublin v Galway : Galway win
Derry v Mayo : mayo win
Donegal v Tyrone : Tyrone win
I’m just typing out loud here . Let’s just go with that for the hell of it . How does that leave the table go ing into the final round .
Galway 10
Donegal 8
Armagh 7
Mayo 7
Dublin 6
Tyrone 5
Kerry 4
Derry 1
Is that correct ? If that were to unfold I’d be thinking we would be definitely in with a decent shout of making the final . Only Armagh could catch us in said situation for second spot as we’d beat Donegal and no other team could reach 9 with Galway already claiming top spot .
I’m lying on couch sleepy so this post could look daft if I’ve miscalculated but hey daft posts not that unusual for mise .
Gizmobobs says:
March 5, 2025 at 9:59 pm
Sam Og they could if they progressed a bit further in competition so be in same seeded pot. It's unfortunate, but literally luck of the draw.
Cp says:
March 5, 2025 at 10:28 pm
Group 2 looks hardest in senior and prob group 3 in intermediate .a lot of good games in there.club leagues starting in a month and still no fixtures out?
Paddyjoejohntom says:
March 5, 2025 at 10:30 pm
I see Sean Hurson (Tyrone) is down to ref the St Colmans game. A strange choice i would have taught . I know Maghera are Derry, but still.
Ontheroad13 says:
March 5, 2025 at 10:32 pm
It's hard to progress in a championship when every single year u keep getting the top 2 or 3 teams, mayo gaels and balla for the past 3 years in a row have got ridiculously hard groups, the top 4 teams who make the semi finals should be seeded then the rest an open draw.
Pebblesmeller says:
March 5, 2025 at 10:32 pm
Stick to the plan. Our aim has to be getting a fully fit squad for the Sligo game. If that means playing lads recovering from injuries and them being rusty, then so be it. If it means, which I hope it does, that we stick with introducing 3 or 4 new faces then so be it. If we end up losing and dropping points then so be it. In my opinion, priority no.1 is having 22 or 23 real strong options for McStay come the Sligo game. Then we have Sligo & Leitrim to get Durcan, Conroy and DOC up to speed.
Then. It's a Connaught final. That's what our entire season must be aimed for.
Richie duck says:
March 5, 2025 at 10:56 pm
Just a quick one friends
Here in Wicklow on the 21st of February, 1 of the most talented players to ever play for our club died by suicide. At 18 years of age. Represented club and county from underage levels and was a real talent. Came from a great family, massively respected in the community and beyond. What brought him to this has us floored.
Not blaming GAA but it has me wondering. Are we putting too much pressure on our young players? S and C is coming in at younger and younger ages. Structure, stats and "process" are even at underage level. Are players enjoying their "hobby " enough?
The game at the upper levels of club football has gone very serious. Bringing in outside managers/coaches will help maybe but by default does it mean bar the physical well being of players so that they can play, is players welfare being looked after well enough?
Honestly think that young lads/ladies are under serious pressure. The Internet has brought us many great things, this blog a prime example. But in many ways it's a dangerous nasty horrible place.
We've been told for generations that" ye don't know how easy ye have it". " We didn't have half what ye have etc". I honestly think that the current u30s have it tougher than the generation before them.
I never ever want to stand in a graveyard again and see a estimated 1000 youngsters crying, looking stunned at what's happening.
Please please check in with your youngsters be they siblings, players or friends . A simple "how are you " enjoying your sport etc. " it might just might be a big difference in some youngsters life. Thanks for reading.
Cp says:
March 5, 2025 at 11:02 pm
Paddyjoejohntom it is a fairly strange choice but not unprecedented.hurson did ref Armagh in the all Ireland last year and he is also one of the top refs if not the top in Ireland
Tirawleybaron says:
March 5, 2025 at 11:39 pm
Allianz Football League Roinn 1
Kerry v Armagh - Kerry at home and starting to up the anti
Dublin v Galway - Dublin looking for a final and Galway already in it
Mayo v Derry - Derry need the points more
Donegal v Tyrone - Tyrone - Donegal trying to avoid a league final and Tyrone wanting to stay up
Galway v Kerry - Kerry - Galway in final - Kerry looking to avoid relegation
Mayo v Donegal - Mayo - Donegal saving themselves for 1st round of championship, Mayo looking to stay up
Armagh v Derry - Armagh - Armagh trying to avoid relegation - Derry getting ready for championship
Tyrone v Dublin - Draw - Dublin looking to get to league final - Tyrone needing to avoid relegation
Final Table
Dublin - 9 points
Galway - 8 points
Donegal - 8 points
Kerry - 8 points
Mayo - 7 points
Armagh - 7 points
Tyrone - 6 points
Derry - 3 points
Tirawleybaron says:
March 5, 2025 at 11:46 pm
When you look at the championship draw, you can see who needs to be ready earlier.
Donegal and Derry is 6th April
Galway, Roscommon, Monaghan, Cork have to be ready for 19th April
Armagh and Tyrone is the 26th April
Mayo don't need to be at full pace until 4th May
Kerry don't need to be at full pace until 17th May
Dublin only have to get excited on 24th May
There is a reason why Kerry, Dublin, Mayo, Galway end up in league finals - the Ulster teams try to avoid it like the plague.
Any time an Ulster team wins the league (or plays a final) it's normally followed by an early Ulster championship exit.
Kerry and Dublin normally need a league final just to keep sharp as they don't get another hard game until after the provincials are finished
Ever the optimist says:
March 6, 2025 at 7:02 am
Can't see Dublin making the final, not that it'd be a surprise with the way the league has panned out but Joyce might well want to make a croker statement- so Galway win for me.
Kerry will eke out two wins, I'd wager.
Donegal, job done, but is it in their DNA to let Tyrone get one up on them? I think they'll field weakened squads for sure.
Malachy O'Rourke will want to win Ulster, I believe, and the league is never on the radar with them, but their last game in Omagh I feel they'll beat Dubs. Mayo could well make this final. It's like picking non Willie Mullins winners at Cheltenham.... tough.
Clare says:
March 6, 2025 at 7:46 am
@Ever the optimist yeah agree think Galway will do it they seem to be going all out to win the league. Donegal 100% are not bothered with a league final or Armagh.
Willie Joe says:
March 6, 2025 at 9:06 am
Thanks for that comment, Richie Duck. Anyone who is a parent of those in that age group (as I am) will, I’m sure, wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments, as I do. There are so many pressures on young people nowadays but, in this world of information overload on a 24/7 basis, it can be easy to miss the signs so it’s vital to keep checking in on an ongoing basis. Thanks again for highlighting this.
Gizmobobs says:
March 6, 2025 at 9:07 am
So sorry to hear that Richie Duck, I'd be in same line of thinking. Especially with age change to U17 I feel there should be next to no coverage of school or minor intercounty games in media.
Young lads being bigged up is bound to make many feel pressure. At 16 and 17 lads are only growing into themselves, growth spurts etc. they develop at different rates. Let people go watch games if they want, but let the lads enjoy the game for the games sake.
And in time you'd hope the best lads will come to the fore.
mayotillidie says:
March 6, 2025 at 9:33 am
Remember going Celtic Park in 2007 for championship, last matched P. Hanley. God he would have been key in following years. Always thought he was missing link.
Clare says:
March 6, 2025 at 9:39 am
@Richie Duck really sorry to hear that. There is so much pressure on young people today. You never know what anyone is thinking so always check in and be kind to each other.
mayotillidie says:
March 6, 2025 at 9:42 am
suicide, has been silent killer in this country. When I was 17 friend of mine committed suicide. The most happy go lucky guy I knew, or so I thought. Ask how your friend and family "How they getting on?". Not always clear to see.
Tirawleybaron says:
March 6, 2025 at 10:40 am
I was chatting to a mammy about the local underage lgfa club.
Her daughter is 12 this year and quit to play for another club.
She is particularly talented for an 11 year old last year and the coach of the U12's would ring the mam to make sure here daughter would be at the go games as the coach wanted their best player to play.
There was another lad in our club at U8's - his father stands on the sideline barking instructions at him. He gets frustrated when things go against him and starts a fight every second week. Ending up punching a kid who took the ball off him in a training game. He has been kicked out of two other clubs already.
Its rarely the kid putting pressure on herself/himself at underage.
Plunkett says:
March 6, 2025 at 10:53 am
A major problem with the current gaa system is that we expect players to act professional in an amateur environment. All this s&c and paying for management tickets is ridiculous and is against the ethos of the gaa. Ffs it was created by a communist so if we were true to word we would have for the people by the people. The pressure put these players by supporters is a blight destroying our game quicker than any rule change could
My Ball says:
March 6, 2025 at 11:18 am
I did a course recently through work.
Sport was mentioned
For both Boys and Girls, there is serious pressure through social media .
S@C
Winning
Being the best
Making the cut/ team
Pressure from parents
Body image etc, all bring with an anxiety / fear .
This can lead to extreme pressure, self doubt etc...
Sport is great, especially team sports but it has to be enjoyable.
Throw in the Pressure of school , college and exams .
It's not easy being a child nowadays.
Very few clubs have not being affected by suicide and the trauma it brings to family and friends.
Apologies WJ , gone off topic here
Willie Joe says:
March 6, 2025 at 11:25 am
No need to apologise at all, My Ball, it’s a topic worthy of plenty of debate.
Jr says:
March 6, 2025 at 12:16 pm
Mayo have to be ready for Sligo not the Connaught final.
Sligo going bad in the league is no indication of what they will be like in the championship.
JP says:
March 6, 2025 at 12:54 pm
Important post Richy, thanks.
I know of soccer clubs paying for crazy young kids across Europe bursary money to play in tournaments.
Yet, for all that I've never seen the standard of soccer be worse. The Ballon Dors from the non coached era versus the Academy era the elite players were extraordinary 90s to 00s.
Give the kids a ball and walk away.
My son hates organized cones sport but he loves disorganized fun sport.
James Fleming says:
March 6, 2025 at 2:18 pm
When and where are Mayo playing Donegal
Sean Burke says:
March 6, 2025 at 2:37 pm
Castlebar last game , tickets will be tight James
Jimbo says:
March 6, 2025 at 4:14 pm
@sean burke. I don't think tickets will be tight for the donegal game, If neithet team want yo qualify for the final. I never see children playing with a football in their garden any more. The football is way too structured for children nowadays.
James Fleming says:
March 6, 2025 at 4:41 pm
When Sean
Gizmobobs says:
March 6, 2025 at 4:47 pm
Round 7
Sunday 23rd March at 3:45pm in Hastings Insurance MacHale Park
Mayo V Donegal
Willie Joe says:
March 6, 2025 at 5:25 pm
James - fixture details (where available) are listed under the Fixtures tab here on the blog.
JoeG says:
March 6, 2025 at 5:32 pm
Has the U20s panel been announced yet?
TsuDhoNim says:
March 6, 2025 at 5:48 pm
@JoeG: Last year, the panel announcement came with the release of the match-day 24 (came with an "Extended Panel" list) for the opening round game against Roscommon, just the evening before the game. With the captain(s) announced just a few hours earlier that day.
A lot of the same folks involved behind the scenes, so wouldn't be surprised to see something similar in terms of timelines this year (so ~18th of March for the opening game on the 19th).
Richie duck says:
March 6, 2025 at 6:17 pm
@Jimbo totally agree. Also think that's the reason there are so many ACLs etc. Getting dropped to training/matches and if not going at full pelt at a organised training session it's full stop. Sitting staring at a screen. Not cycling to a mates house for a kick about or kicking a ball off the gable wall of the house. I'd safely say window replacement from balls is way down.
Grateful for the feedback from the earlier comment. Hopefully it'll spark a conversation with someone it'll help
No matter how awkward that conversation may be. Easier than the eulogy I listened to last week.
2 hops says:
March 6, 2025 at 6:49 pm
@ Richie duck,no bounce back off the gable now with the external insulation....and you wouldn't dare kick a ball up on the roof on account of solar panels. Different rules apply nowadays.
Gizmobobs says:
March 6, 2025 at 7:34 pm
JoeG, no panel yet. Although most be seen less Colman lads in the game last weekend
Richie duck says:
March 6, 2025 at 7:35 pm
Used to get in fierce bother for damaging pebble dash at my grandparents house. That's gone now too
The bruiser says:
March 6, 2025 at 7:41 pm
I wonder are the Colman's lads doing much with the u20 panel. It's especially difficult this year as two different sets of rules. I doubt they have played challenge matches and with u20 championship starting a few days after the Hogan final there will not be any other challenge games.
Wyatt Colman's players are involved. Beirne and Rio both were on it last year. I'm guessing Tracey/Cassidy will be close to it. Anyone else? Noonan , hession are first year u20 so probably not this year
Eastcorkexile says:
March 7, 2025 at 7:17 am
Hurling country here, foundations of the house shake every evening with the ball being flaked off the wall.
Sorry to hear the news Richie Duck, mental health is a very complex thing.
Certainly physically our secondary school generation that are sporty are in bother. They do too much.
My 13 yr old is on 1st yr colleges, a divisional county squad and club. His schedule is absolutely ridiculous.
I’m going to have to pull him from something. His older brother won a county intermediate medal while starting at 18, captained the u-21s to a divisional title and now doesn’t want to play anymore at 21.
This isn’t a “humble brag” post, just saying extremes in everything are bad. A lot of our kids have a full career done at 20 compared to us owl bucks who prob didn’t start organised GAA till u/12s. The rest was just having the craic with a ball and ur friends.
Parents of young teens, don’t be afraid to miss training when they need a rest, monitor their activity coz the coaches cant/wont. Keep the joy in it as it can quickly turn into a chore and just hardship.
JP says:
March 7, 2025 at 10:27 am
Yknow what's a great practice either soccer or Gaelic?
Find a flat wall, focus on a solid kicking connection and try and get the ball travelling straight out and straight back.
So for the soccer shot it would track the shortest line between you and the wall and it comes back along that line.
Similar with a Gaelic kick.
It forces you into good technique and a nice connection.